Esky Honeybee FP

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Links to important information about Esky Honeybee FP helicopter.
http://www.helitown.com/ESkyHoneyBeeCP2.htm

Flying Esky Honeybee FP II Video
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=9a72808c680403b13b00d83176d18870.1342900

[rc_03]

Well as I sit here constantly tracking my order hoping for some sort of progress I came accross this little jewel of a site for all Esky HB FP owners... or future to be owners!

http://www.eflightwiki.com/eflightwiki/index.php?title=HoneyBeeFP

[borgia]

Hi, How long can the FP fly with the stock 650mah nimh?

Thanks

[eddiemoth]

It was a while since I had it. If I remember it right, it was about 6 or 7 minutes.

[borgia]

thanks. have you tried using other batteries that give longer flying time?

[swatson144]

I've used 1000mAH 2S lipos to get upto 12-15 mins. I just use a DIY lipo alarm to tell me when they are done. I crash so much with the FPs (lack of concern mainly) that it's hard to keep track of time.

just for fun from about 2 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=806d5iS7KHg

and the out takes
moth outtakes (http://www.1upcomputer.com/storage/temps/outtakes1-1.wmv)

I recorded those and stopped after each crash set the heli back up, started recording and flew again. That one is a cutdown (mothed) HummingBird but all the FPs are about the same.

Steve

[eddiemoth]

borgia,
Yes - I used a cheap Esky 3 S lipo and I got a good flight time around 20 mins which is plenty. If you look for a relatively easy and durable heli - Esky HB FP is the one. Like I crashed it many times. Just picked it up, adjusted here and there and flew it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6LeyGgevWA

[borgia]

ok, thanks for your replies!

[Bill]

I got a Honey Bee FP for Christmas and after a short flight had a mild crash, nothing broken. Now the led on the heli stayes lit red and the rotor an the tail rotor will not work. The sevos do work however, any ideas what could be the problem?

[admin]

Lucky you getting a HB FP for Christmas! Make sure the throttle trim is all the way down. Also check to see if crystal on the 4 in 1 sits tight.

[bikeflyer]

I'm new and just got my Esky Honey Bee FP. I would like to spend some time on the FMS sim that came with it. It also had a cable to go from the transmitter to the USB on my computer. However, I can't get the computer to recognize the controls. It may be the Windows Vista that I am running, but if anybody knows how to get it to work, please post a reply. I would rather crash the sim than the new heli.

[swatson144]

If memory serves you have to have the batteries in the tx and hooked up to the computer. Install and run PPjoy off the CD. Map the sticks in FMS.

Steve, who gave up on using a real controller and went to a 25$ USB TX

[ranger306ci]

I did the the same thing, Steve, I just bought the usb controller.
All that other programming stuff to get it to work, is just too much work for my feeble brain.

[bikeflyer]

What USB controller are you talking about Ranger? I can get the FMS to work, but it won't recognize my tx, no matter how I try to configure.

[swatson144]

http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=A2366225&pid=W022984

Steve

[bikeflyer]

Wow, what a first flight I had yesterday. I did lots of run-ups and some bouncing in place. Thought I was doing ok. Got it off the ground solid for the first time and the dog (I didn't know the wife let him out) ran in and took the blades in the nose. He yelped, but I think I yelped louder. Anyway, the main rotor head had one of the pitch links broken. So tomorrow I get to go to the Hobby-Lobby on my way through Nashvegas and get a new one. I guess it's ok. If my incidents only cost me $2 each, I will do ok. It's the ones that cost $20-30 that hurt.

[Bill]

I'm not sure as to what angle the fly bar paddles should be set at if any angle at all, anyone know?

[eddiemoth]

I've tried to set up an angle for my flybar paddles though I heard some people said that and they say the heli is more stable when you have some angle on the paddles. I always try to set them at 0 pitch.

[rc_03]

I'm new and just got my Esky Honey Bee FP. I would like to spend some time on the FMS sim that came with it. It also had a cable to go from the transmitter to the USB on my computer. However, I can't get the computer to recognize the controls. It may be the Windows Vista that I am running, but if anybody knows how to get it to work, please post a reply. I would rather crash the sim than the new heli.

There are a lot of compatibility issues between vista and FMS. Even after replacing missing .dll files I could still not get it to work properly. However, my controller was recognized but like i said the program itself just didn't work. Better luck to you and hopefully Mr. Gates gets Vista SP1 out soon with an FMS fix for it lol.

[ranger306ci]

vista is the devil!

[estarter]

Takes awhile to find stuff, they move the utilities to other plances.

[Mysterious]

I've used 1000mAH 2S lipos to get upto 12-15 mins. I just use a DIY lipo alarm to tell me when they are done. I crash so much with the FPs (lack of concern mainly) that it's hard to keep track of time.

Steve


To upgrade a heli to a lipo battery system what exactly on the heli do you need to change and whats the approx cos of that upgrade? Are there any update guides someone could follow?

[estarter]

The stock FP flys best with 2S lipo. I can fly for 12min using the 10C 2S 800mah lipo pack weight about 1.8oz, but I set my timer to 10min.

To upgrade to lipo, you need to first read the lipo safety info in the battery forum, get the lipo pack and the lipo charger, that's it.

You may have to mount the lipo pack a little forward to get the right CG.

[swatson144]

Yep it's pretty much a plug in replacement but I use a battery plate (http://www.jacobwatson.com/images/dads%20images/heli/battery%20tray.pdf) mounted under the motor to give me a place to easily mount the pack and get good CG. Just glue stick the template onto some suitable material and cut and drill. Make sure you select actual size vice fit to page when printing.

Some other fun templates (http://www.jacobwatson.com/images/dads%20images/heli/heli%20flat%20pieces.pdf) I've drawn, you can use to play with.

All that crap is optional but the battery tray sure makes it easier and helps cool the motor if made of AL. For a canopy the CP2 or Blade cp canopy fits.

Steve

[Mysterious]

I see on heli direct they sell heatsinks for the main & tail motor... do those do anything at all to prolong the motor life? (particularly the tail which I've read burns out in 10-20 hours? )

[eddiemoth]

Yes, a heatsink take some heats from the motor so yes it help your motors. I have two on the main and two on the tail.

[ranger306ci]

Well, I finally got both my fp's fixed, and the wife has creared out a new place, just perfect for indoor hovering. I burned 8 packs this weekend.
If you want a challange, then hover like this.
Hover in a 6x6 area, with a heating duct blowing into it.
While flying, hold a 1.5yr old boy, and keep the heli in one spot while he changes your trims. If you can do that, then you can truly say you can hover!

[Mysterious]

Well, I finally got both my fp's fixed, and the wife has creared out a new place, just perfect for indoor hovering. I burned 8 packs this weekend.
If you want a challange, then hover like this.
Hover in a 6x6 area, with a heating duct blowing into it.
While flying, hold a 1.5yr old boy, and keep the heli in one spot while he changes your trims. If you can do that, then you can truly say you can hover!

You have 2 HoneyBee FP helis?

[ranger306ci]

sometimes 3, depending on my spare parts collection. Right now, 2 1/2.

[Mysterious]

sometimes 3, depending on my spare parts collection. Right now, 2 1/2.

What kind of life span do u get from the tail motor (and main motor) and do you have heatsinks on them?

I'm thinking of snagging a FP but am not sure how much spare parts, and what spare parts I should buy upfront. Any suggestions based on your experiencde?

[ranger306ci]

I have not had a tail motor die of old age, Then again I don't use the stock tail motors. I use a gws dragonfly tail motor with a direct drive tail prop.
I also have not had a main motor die.
Spare parts I keep are rotor head parts, main shafts, landing gear, and push on tail rotors to go with my gws tail motor. Those are my highest stocked parts, but I pretty much have all the pieces in various amounts. The only thing I don't have an extra of right now is the 4/1.
They are my favorite helis out of my fleet.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&W=000769593&I=LXHHF7&P=K
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&W=000769593&I=LXHHV7&P=K

[Mysterious]

Are those gws dragonfly tail motos available on helidirect? where do u buy from? Do u have a URL u could share?

[ranger306ci]

Click on the links above.

[Mysterious]

Click on the links above.

Thanks!
So that motor fits on the Esky FP... thats great... it sounds like you have a long life on yours... thats great to hear because I was under the impression that the tail motors burn out really quickly which was kinda making me shy away from buying one... but if I can get that motor and 6 blades for $15 thats pretty great.

[ranger306ci]

It takes a little grinding on the plastic motor mount to fit( round motor in a oval hole) other than that, works fine. I put heat sinks on it, also.

[swatson144]

Anybody want some I have a bunch of new ones with heat sink in a 40mm EDF body figure 2 for 20$ shipped in conus. GW/EDF40H is the part #
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?products_id=1223 and I'll through in the small screw to remove the impellor.

You can even use the fan as a tail blade with the tail fin from my website.

Steve

[ranger306ci]

Screw? I used a hammer!:)

[Mysterious]

The stock FP flys best with 2S lipo. I can fly for 12min using the 10C 2S 800mah lipo pack weight about 1.8oz, but I set my timer to 10min.

To upgrade to lipo, you need to first read the lipo safety info in the battery forum, get the lipo pack and the lipo charger, that's it.

You may have to mount the lipo pack a little forward to get the right CG.


Is this the lipo u are referring to?

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=1318

[swatson144]

that's too big you want 800mAH - 1250mAH 2S.

Looky here http://www.commonsenserc.com/index.php?cPath=37_31


Steve

[Mysterious]

that's too big you want 800mAH - 1250mAH 2S.

Looky here http://www.commonsenserc.com/index.php?cPath=37_31


Steve

thanks mi amigo :D

[estarter]

Is this the lipo u are referring to?

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=1318

That one is too heavy.

I use the 2S 800mah lipo pack for the Lama.

[estarter]

I use this one:

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=264&products_id=657

Do a search in dealtime, they have a similar one for about 1/2 of the helidirect price shipped.

[ranger306ci]

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5474
I just bought 2 of these, and they are working out well.

[Mysterious]

Guys,
Where are you buying parts for your Esky FP from?

I was just about to buy a FP today online but I looked on helidirect for parts foir the FP and I did not see any main shafts lists for parts... the main shaft must be breakable in crashes, no? :confused: Or is it lumped in another heli version parts category?

Thing is I want to buy the heli and then immediately buy a small lot of likely parts I might need if I crash it ... I'm not exactly sure what those parts would be... I assumed main blades and such but want to make sure I have an online retailer who'll ship to Canada for a decent price. Are all the parts on helidirect I'd need for the FP???

Would one of you experienced guys mind making a newbies suggested parts buyers list? Like list the part, quantity, and URL link to it? (that might help others too .. if some good samaritan has a few minutes :D) Like...

2 sets, Main blades
URL HERE
1 set, tail blades
URL HERE
1, tail motor
URL HERE

The biggest confusion I have, and comfort issue since my LHS doesn't carry Esky at the moment, is knowing what I might need to buy, in what quantity and where from.

Could someone please advise me of a suggested parts list to buy for a FP to have the most likely needed things on hand... I figured this so far:

2 main blade
tail blade
tail engine
skids
2nd battery or buy a lipo battery upgrade

What else could go/likely break in your experiences?

[estarter]

I buy my Esky parts from internet store Helidirect and Balsaproducts.

I don't know how far you're from Vancouver, there's a LHS carry Esky heli when visited Vancouver a few months ago.

[Mysterious]

Balsa products, I'll search that.

I'm a ways from Vancouver but anywhere in Canada might get me cheaper shipping and no cross border duty... don't recall its name do u?

[estarter]

Sorry, forgot the name of the shop. I usually go there once a year to visit relative.

[ranger306ci]

balsa products is :
www.bphobbies.com
Here are the parts you will break most often:
http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=W262062&pid=NESKY103
I keep 6 on hand.
http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=W262062&pid=NESKY102
one extra.
http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=W262062&pid=NESKY117
2 extra
http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=W262062&pid=NESKV018
2 extra.
I use www.jaghobbies.com ALOT. They almost always have the parts in stock.
Just so you know, I can always find the parts on the web. There are tons of sellers out there. Some just have better prices than others.
You are not left hanging with the little esky. Don't let parts stop you!
As for tail motors, I would recommend the one I listed above with the push on tail blades.

[ranger306ci]

You probably will never break your main blades. Stock tail blades will last a long time, also.

[Mysterious]

cool, thanks for that post, thats very helpful.... hopefully for future newbies too

for the cost, do u think a 2nd nimh battery would be a good buy, or just buy a lipo?

[ranger306ci]

I started out with the NiMh batts(2) , and then upgraded to lipo.I think the nimh are just fine for learning how to hover. The lipo are more powerfull(800 vs 650) and charge faster. If you have the money, get a couple of lipos and a charger. I have an esky charger I will sell you cheap.
I will say this; if you are serious about this hobby, you will need a lipo charger. Pretty much all helis run on lipo now. Once I got my lipos, I sold both NiMh's, because they suck compared to the lipo's.
There is a honeybee out there that comes stock with lipo's.
http://hobby-lobby.com/honeybee3.htm. Comes with a charger, too. can't go wrong there!

[estarter]

The disadvantage of using NimH besides it is heavy and lower capacity is the voltage drifting. A fresh fully charged NimH pack has higher voltager and will sag as much as 20% in the middle of the flight.

You have to keep trimming the rudder to hold the tail which is a chore for learning to hover.

[ranger306ci]

Yea, that too. Forgot about that.

[Mysterious]

hmmm, so lipo is a much better solution, ok

thks for the link to the lipo ready FP... i'll take a look...

[Bill]

My Honeybee flashes red the just stays steady red when I plug it in. I tried two charged battery's but still no luck, any ideas?

[ranger306ci]

Is your throttle stick all the way down? Is your throttle trim at 1/2 or below?
They both need to be there to get it to arm.
Also, if your crystal is not seated all the way in, it will not arm. Do your servos respond to input? If not, it is your crystal. If they do, check your throttle.

[estarter]

Check the crystal, make sure it is tight in its slot. Red light at start up means the Rx does not receive the Tx signal.

[ranger306ci]

Here are some pics of the recent FP I cobbled together. Not really an esky, or a hummingbird.
Uses a gws frame, ms and gear, center hub, main and tail motors, swash and blades.
Esky parts are the double head, links and flybar, tail housing and the 4/1
Compy parts are the landing gear, and fiberglass plate.
Runs with a 12 tooth pinion, and 2s lipos.
Canopy is gws, but really cut down.
This little bugger really zips on a 1250 battery, and is a good basement hoverer with an 800 mah.

[Mysterious]

cool, looks pretty nice

[estarter]

I haven't touch the FP for over a year, may be time to sell some of them. How about $15 + shipping for a Century HB FP air frame w/both main and tail motor, add electronics and fly. Or a RTF Walkera #4, $55 shipped.

PM me if interested.

[ranger306ci]

Well, out of curiosity I slapped a 1250 3S lipo on one of my hbees today. I put a brand new mabuchi motor (broke in and advanced timing)
The hbee did not even notice the bigger battery! I think I may be done with 2s on the little helis!

[broggyr]

Wow, good move - sounds great! Since I'm running a full separates system and brushless motor, the only thing that is keeping me from trying 3S LiPos is having to buy one lol

[mtpenguin]

Or make one....

B=)

[estarter]

I found light 2S lipos like 8 to 10C 700-1000mah is best for stock FP heli.

I've tried BL motor, also 3S lipo, some how I still like the performance of the brush motor w/2S lipo setup better.

[ranger306ci]

Mine is not stock. it is actually mothed, so it suprised me carrying that weight. It had faster punchouts, even with the weight. I am going to downsize to a 1000mah when I get around to buying one, but I am pleased it works with this battery also!

[ranger306ci]

Well, interesting problem now.
I tried that 1250 3s battery. Ran it a couple of times. Now, my heli will not fly for more than 2 minutes on a 2s lipo. I did not change anything, but after running a 3s, it will just not work on a 2s.........
Also, last night at minute 4 of a 3s flight, I went into a stall manuver, and my 7.5 amp fuse blew for the main motor. With the volts being higher, the amps should be LOWER running 3s. It has never blown a fuse in flight before, 2s or 3s. I tried switching motors, ,that did not help. Any thoughts?

[swatson144]

It's what I found with the FPs. 3S makes for a very short motor life on both but especially the tail motor. The brushes burn from the extra arcing and the increased heat adds to the brushes burning.

Steve (who thinks your main motor is done)

[ranger306ci]

Thought about that. I swapped motors, and tried 2s. No go!

[swatson144]

wrong motor? bad motor? demon possession? Gotta be an answer, just not enough info in my chair to find it.:D

Steve

[ranger306ci]

I was wondering if I am burning something out in my 4/1? Possible? I put a new motor in to try 3s, and then when I had the problem, I put the original motor back in and tried 2s with that one. Common denominator=4/1. Not knowing enough about esc's and stuff, have no clue. Flys fine on 3s right now, so I am using 3s. But, now that that fuse blew, wondering if my heli is going to drop dead=literally.

[swatson144]

I seriously doubt it's the 4n1. All an electronic brushed speed control does is turn on and off real fast to have the same effect as a lower average voltage. Much like being able to dim your headlights by turning them on and off real quick. So to reach the described failure mode it'd have to not be able to switch off/on as fast as it did previously. Actually that's a gross over simplification. They have a fixed switch rate say 12 mhz and the throttle pulse tells it what % of the cycles are off or on. Not likely. only failures I know of from ESCs is no worky or WOT full time and on occasion short the battery. Even if a FET developed a resistance that'd slow the motor it'd quickly cook and leave us with one of the 3 failure modes.

More likely as far as control goes would perhaps be a loose nut on a stick. Say one was to change the TC etc to limit the climb rate or such and simply forgot about it, thus rendering the heli inop at 2/3rds voltage.

Steve

[estarter]

The MOS FET use in the 4in1 are rated ~30V, should work OK in 3S. The built in BEC in the 4in1 may not keep up with the 3S.

Esky FP 4in1 has 1 linear voltage regulator, CP2 4in1 has 2 in parallel.

[estarter]

r, are you using 3S in the FP? The head speed must be great.

I'm using 2S 800mah lipo in my CP2, she is able to flip and fly inverted, average flight time is about 6 min.

[ranger306ci]

Ok, thanks for the info!
I am using the stock tx with this, so tc is set. BUT, there is a loose nut on the tx!
Yes, E, I am using 3S on a fp. With the cut down blades, it is a really responsive little heli. I love it, and bought 2 1000mah 3s to dedicate to these little ones. Might be that my 2s's are going soft, and is becomming apparent. I am building another moth, with a new motor, and I will see if the 2s's will run it. I also just got a helimax rotofly, need to fix it up, then I will try the 2S on it. Funny, it is the same size as my moths, but the head speed is so low, it is unusable outside( hence the need to fix it!) It just lofts, and follows the wind. No control whatever.

[eddiemoth]

Hmmm...when I had my Esky FP, I always flew it with a 3s and I still had the original 4/1 a year later but I never used a 2s so I did not know the different.

[estarter]

Somehow I never use 3S in FP, I fly FP mostly in the garage and my family room (quit after damage the wall) before and 2S has plenty of power.

[broggyr]

I know from experience that the MOSFETs in the clones (Walkera,Exceed-RC) burn out VERY easily with 2S, all you have to do is stall the blades (read: do not shut off throttle fast enough after a crash).

[ranger306ci]

That is why I use a fuse.

[estarter]

I never use fuse in FP.

I burnt up the E-flite 4in1 with fuse mod in my BCPP, both main motor MOSFET smoke out when the brush in the stock motor worn out. Good thing is HH warranty it and sent me a new 4in1.

[ranger306ci]

Hmm,
I have blown tons of fuses, never killed an esky 4/1. So, I have had better luck. I will continue to use them. It is probably just you; yep, you're the problem! Hang your head in shame!
Ok, my little heat problem is getting worse with my fp that I am currently flying( I only fly one and keep the rest as backups)
Now, the motors are too hot to touch, and the 4/1 is getting a little toasty. I predict it will not be too much longer before it just dies. Since whatever damage done is already done, I am just flying it out of curiosity at this point. How long WILL it last? I am not too concerned about the 4/1, since I have 3, and am slowly moving towards seperates on my bee's. Since i am running a 6i radio on my other helis, I am just using the esky stock tx until I get everything switched over.

[estarter]

I used GWS 4 ch radio for the FP and Hitec Eclipse for the CP helis before going 2.4G. The brush motor is always hot in BCPP, I use 2 heat sinks with thermo grease in both motors.

[ranger306ci]

Here is a little vid of a moth heli at work.
Running on a 3s 1250 lipo.
No helis were harmed in the video, but an easel got workmans comp out of it!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-833870635178680237&hl=en

[estarter]

Nice flyin'. What happen to the end, the heli was flying backward and landed?

[ranger306ci]

An easle got in the way of my landing. Happens when flying in a low ceiling area like that!
You could say it was an "abrupt" landing!

[estarter]

I haven't touch FP for a long time, last week I saw my neighbor flying one, the FP was everywhere in his front yard. When he switched back flying the CP, it was stable and solid.

[ranger306ci]

Fp's are all about fun, not FIA flight!
I enjoy them more than any other heli I have flown. Once you speed them up, and get a wicked tail motor, they will haul the mail!

[zen]

Speaking of the HB FP, one just arrived in the mail today! It will either be a trainer for newbies + my indoor fun machine or go to a friend who used to fly RC heli's a looong time ago. Naturally I had to fit it out with a Tx and Rx crystal and have a go. To me it flies somewhere between a Walkera #4 (kind of hard) and a Century Hummingbird FP, which is pretty smooth. I had to remember my 'predictive flying' to commit it to the air and put it more or less where I wanted it.

[mech50]

Somehow I never use 3S in FP, I fly FP mostly in the garage and my family room (quit after damage the wall) before and 2S has plenty of power.

I bought a EK1-0180 E sky 1000Ah it weights about the same as the stock NI-MH 650AH ( wanted more air time) mounted it sideways on the battery tray, getting an easy 15-20 min. How do you know when to stop before you hurt the battery?
P.S just recevied My E sky Belt is it harder to fly than myHB FP?

[ranger306ci]

Time your flights, and take battery readings after. Say you fly 10 minutes, and cell voltage is 3.8v / cell when done, you probably get another minute out of it. Just don't fly it til'' it goes past 3.7v/cell resting voltage. You can also get a little alarm. Bunch out there, audible and visual. I just figure it out, and stick to that time. I check volts after EVERY flight, and adjust as needed.

[mech50]

Is 3.8 volts standard for all lipo's 11.1v and 7.4v ?

[ranger306ci]

Yes, 3.8 volts per cell. a 3s(11.1v) has 3 cells, a 2s(7.4v) has 2 cells; they are wired in series. A cell is fully charged at 4.2v, discharged at 3.7-3.8v resting. This is for lithium polymer and lithium ion batteries. Li-Mg and LI-Fe batteries differ.

[mech50]

4 in 1 on my hbfp maybe on it’s way out? About 2/3 into a 10-12 min flight it seems like the tail motor or the main motor quick revs for a split second every 4 to 8 seconds. Makes for an exciting landing. I’m using 3cell lipo 1000 mah
Can I use an EK2-0702A instead of the 702?
and would it be better?
thanks,

[ranger306ci]

It sounds like a tail motor to me. Mine does the same thing when I am about to lose a press on tail blade.

[mech50]

Thanks, do you mean yours is a direct drive tail motor?
and why is that better than the stock tail?

[ranger306ci]

Thanks, do you mean yours is a direct drive tail motor?
and why is that better than the stock tail?
Yes! Spins faster, more tail authority and control.
BTW, the tail DID die the next night. New motor, and away we go!

[estarter]

The stock tail motor has good tail authority in my Esky FP and Walkera #4, average life for the tail motor with heat sink is about 60 ten minute flights.

[ranger306ci]

I prefer the DD tails, myself, but I have run the stock ones, also. But since all my fp's are moths, the DD push on tails just are easier to use. don't have to cut them down.

[estarter]

I have tried DD in both FP and CP, I still prefer the stock gear driven tail.

I haven't flown the stock brush motor CP for a while and kind of missed them.

[zen]

Okay so I crashed my HB FP indoors and the tail boom cracked and broke. Estarter (whom I got the heli from) relied upon friction to hold the boom in the frame. After I removed it I got to thinking: why can't I use friction on both ends? See, I really don't like spending a lot of time removing parts that I already know may break.

Although my spare tail boom was a loose fit in the frame a small piece of clear tape on the boom proved too thick to fit into the frame. So ... I put a thin spot of CA on both ends of the tail boom and let it dry well. By luck I used just enough to make it a very snug fit in the frame and in the tail case.

In the future if I need to replace the boom or fit another tail case it will be a snap to make the change.