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08-12-2006, 02:00 PM
So you are here to find out about RC helicopter? You are in the right place. Just keep on reading and if you have questions, don’t hesitate to ask questions in the thread below. There is no question is a stupid question here in this forum.

The one question that an RC helicopter beginner always asks is what the good RC helicopter should you buy. This is a very simple but difficult question. If you ask three people, I am sure you will get three different answers. People will tell you what they did – not necessary what is the best way to get into the hobby. So what can you do? Just listen to what they say, gather information as much as possible and then make your own decision. Don’t just buy an RC helicopter because Mr. Cool Pilot told you so. This article is to provide you with some basic information you need to read so that you don’t make a mistake a lot of us did when we got into the hobby.

To answer the question, here are a few things you want to consider when deciding which RC helicopter you want to begin the hobby with.

1. Money
2. Your hobby goal
3. Your existing skills and knowledge
4. Who you will get the support or help from?
5. Your local hobby store

Money:
Yes, first thing you need is money. You need money to buy an RC helicopter. It is very simple. But some people are surprised when their credit card statement arrives the month after they got into the hobby and have to hide it from their significant other. If you are 13 and has no income, you need to get a sponsor who is most likely your parent or uncle unless you can get your Local Hobby Store (LHS) owner agree to let you work in exchange of an RC helicopter you want.

I would say it will take at least a couple of hundreds of U.S. dollars to get your first Ready To Fly (RTF) micro (small) RC helicopter such as Blade CX, Blade CP or Esky Honeybee CP2 and then some other hundreds for parts and upgrades later on. If your budget is not limited and you want to start with an Almost Ready to Fly (ARF) medium size (mini) helicopter like a Trex450, MX400 or a Shogun 400, it will take any where between $700 to $1,200 depending on what options and Transmitter (TX) your want.
Then, about another $500 for spare parts and upgrades. I am not recommending this for a beginner, but if you insist you can go as high as $2,000 or more to start building your own electric big size RC helicopter like Hirobo Lepton EX or Trex 600. So as you can see for the money alone, I would recommend that you start with either a RTF micro or an ARF mini depending on your budget.

Hobby Goal:
This is probably better to be rephrased to how you are serious about this hobby. If you know that you will give up easily and your goal is just to try out how a RC helicopter works, don’t spend $700 to buy an ARF helicopter and then crash it into the ground then walk away from it. Your best bet is probably a coaxial RTF helicopter like Blade CX or Esky Lama. If you are serious and want to invest some time in this hobby, check out a RTF micro that can fly inverted, 3D, etc. like Blade CP or E-sky Honeybee CP2. If you are really really serious, want to learn about the dynamics and physics of the RC helicopter and want to take it another step beyond the beginner step, consider an ART mini or kit. Take time to build it yourself, such as Trex450 XL or SE or MX400. Again I would not recommend a big electric RC helicopter like Hirobo Lepton EX or Trex600, but hey if you have the enough gut and money, why not. Life is short! Here you probably get some ideas as to what RC helicopter you want to get in by now based on these two factors alone.

Your existing RC skill and knowledge:
This is another factor you need to consider. Why is this important? If you like most of us, we human tend to get bored if we outgrow what we are playing and get frustrated when we fail. When you get bored, the chance is you will buy a new bigger one or give up for something else completely. Also, when you get frustrated, some people just can’t take it any more and give up as well. So to be sucessfull in this hobby based on this assumption, you need to buy an RC helicopter that will not be too difficult for you and have some potentials for you later. So depending on how much you know and do right now you can decide which RC helicopter you want to get into the hobby with. My rule of thump is if you know nothing at all - not even only about RC helicopter but RC hobby (like me when I first got into the hobby), start with a coaxial RTF helicopter. Again, Blade CX, Esky Lama or Dynam Vortex are good caoxial helicopters. Or you can start with a Fixed Pitch miro helicopter such as Esky Honeybee FP. If you know some RC helicopter and has a little skill (used to fly friend’s or dady’s RC helicopter a couple of times) or used some simulation before, start with a RTF collective pitch (CP) helicopter such as Blade CP or Esky Honeybee CP2. Lite Machin Corona is considered to be a good beginner RC helicopter to start too though it is big. Last, if you are a returned pilot who deserted the hobby before and want to restart, go for it - get a bigger helicopter. I hope by now you are kind of know what you want to get based on these three factors.

Who you will get the support and help from?
If you are planning to get your friends to help you when you start, you need to buy an RC helicopter that you friends know. If you know that you will rely on people at your RC club to help you, you need to buy the helicopter they are familiar with. The same thing, if you plan to get help from people in your RC forum, again you need to get an RC helicopter, equipment or electrics that most people in your forum know. Whatever you decide, my two cents are buy an RC helicopter that is popular that most people own. Don’t buy anything because it is cheap. Good RC helicopter like E-sky Honeybee CP2 or Blade CP hold up their value really good. You can sell them if you outgrow them later.

Your Local Hobby Store:
It used to be very important factor but since now we can buy anything from the Internet stores, it is not critical any more. Good Internet hobby stores provide reliable customer services, quick shipping and handling, free shipping, etc. However, if your LHS carries parts of our RC helicopter, that will help you a great deal when you are indeed of a small part to get your helicopter fly again. You can just run to it, get the part and get your RC helicopter fly again rather than have it grounded for a couple of weeks if you order parts from the Internet store. Remeber that people tend to impatient when it comes to getting their crashed helicopter fixed and get it fly again. A few days can be a long time. Another thing about your LHS is you should buy from them as much as possible to support them. Good LHS does help their customers when they have questions or set up problems and it is more expensive to run a local store than an Internet store. There are some LHS in my city who would help set up and build RC helicopters from scratch for free if you buy the kit and electronics from them. Most of these LHS owners are also fly RC helicopters. The important thing about LHS is your convenience and relationship with them.

Now you get some ideas as to what you should buy by now. Are you ready to buy now? I think yes - but here are a few more hints:

1. Don’t buy an RC helicopter from Ebay if you are not sure about the vendor's reputation though it is cheaper than your LHS or a reputable Internet Store. I hear a lot of sad stories.

2. Don’t buy crashed or damaged RC helicopter to say a couple of bucks. You don’t want to learn to fix and set up the helicopter while you are still struggling with your first flying lesson.

3. Don’t buy an RC helicopter that is way beyond your level. Start with something easy. After all this is your hobby – not your job!

I hope that this article helps at least a little bit to open up the way for you to get into this hobby. If you still have any question, feel free to ask in the thread. Good luck to you!

Next article to read is What can I do while waiting for my RC helicopter to arrive (http://www.rchelicoptertown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44)

For those who have experience, feel free to chime in by posting your thoughts and ideas in the thread below.

geraldam
02-02-2008, 11:54 AM
I Have Had 5 Or 6 Rc Helicopters That I've Demolished. What I'm Looking For Is One Or Two Model Names (not Kits) That Are For The Beginner/advanced Beginner And Can Be Flown Indoors Or Outside Due To Our Harsh Winters. If Possible It Should Also Be Durable.have A Stable Hover And Preferably Change Direction, Altitude, Etc

eddiemoth
02-02-2008, 01:49 PM
It is hard to get one that is good for both indoor and outdoor flying. A heli that is good for outdoor normally is too big for indoor flying unless you have a big indoor flying space. I would say Trex 600 but again not sure about indoor flying.

swatson144
02-02-2008, 05:13 PM
Right it's like walking onto a car lot and saying "I want a new 15,000$ car tha sits 6 and is easy to park with the ability to carry a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the back, and I'd like to race it on Saturdays, so it has to beat a Porsche, What U Got?"

Steve

geraldam
02-03-2008, 12:53 PM
Then one or 2 suggestions for indoors and the same for outdoors for an advanced beginner? I like the challenge of a four channel model. Any preference COCO LAMA IV vs. LAMA IV? Gerry

Firadiz
02-03-2008, 01:40 PM
Welcome to Helitown geraldam.

I can suggest the Eflight Blade CX2 as an indoor helicopter for $200 at the LHS for Beginner. The Ace EZ is also at the LHS that is cheaper in price, but unknown how well it flys. The ESKY Lama would probally be a second choice for flight inside but usually these are an order online. The LHS in my area don't have Esky products, mostly E-flight, Align, and Helimax. Both of these are co-axial. I beleive the Esky Cool is a FP, non-coaxail, that is a decent heli as well.

I can suggest based upon price range a couple of outdoors. The first 2 are RTF. The Esky Honeybee King 2 would be #1 for price, $159, but is an order online. It is a bit more stable than a Blade CP Pro's motor driven, and cheaper. The next RTf is Blade 400, but price is $450-$500. These are really for novice, and once the others are comfortably mastered. As far as ARF, The T-Rex 450Se about $250 unfinished. You still need a motor, TX, and a couple other parts that may run into $500 - $600 range once complete. All of these are CP, and takes a bit more time to learn.

I started off with the Blade CX2, Flew a Blade CP pro, and currently have the Esky HBK2. I have been happy with the CX2 and the HBK2. I hope this helps with your decision on which Heli to get, and hope you have fun with this hobby as we all have.

geraldam
02-04-2008, 05:28 PM
Thanks for your help.

Mysterious
02-18-2008, 09:19 AM
great article, it gave me a lot to think about

mwahaha
03-05-2008, 11:39 PM
Hi, i was wondering if someone would be able to advise which heli would be better to learn to fly on out of a king 2 or a belt cp?

mtpenguin
03-06-2008, 07:46 AM
They are going to be pretty close. Similar setup (CP & Belt).

I have not personally flown either one, but have listened to lots of discussions one both.

The Belt CP is bigger, costs more, and because of size maybe just a little easier to see / control.

For the $$$ the KingII is one of the best deals around.

If budget isn't an issue, I'd get the B400 over the Belt CP because it has the nice DX6i Tx.

If you already have a Tx the Belt CP is same size and comparable to the B400.

You can get the KingII in a bare bones without the Tx and with the BL upgrade already installed.


B-)

mwahaha
03-06-2008, 10:10 PM
The Belt CP is bigger, costs more, and because of size maybe just a little easier to see / control.

For the $$$ the KingII is one of the best deals around.

If budget isn't an issue, I'd get the B400 over the Belt CP because it has the nice DX6i Tx.

If you already have a Tx the Belt CP is same size and comparable to the B400.


B-)
I dont have a tx so am after an RTF heli. There is only NZ$50 difference between the Belt CP and the King2. Looking a the diagrams of the helis the Blade CP seems to be stronger, any idea if this is the case? And would you know what would be the usual breakages for these in a minor-medium crash?
Thanks for your help

mtpenguin
03-07-2008, 07:29 AM
I would get the belt cp over the kingII, but I'd get the B400 over the belt CP. And I'd stay clear of the blade cp.


B-)

ranger306ci
03-07-2008, 08:13 AM
The belt is a 450 size heli, the king 2 is about a 350-370 size. The king 2 flys pretty much like a 450, and is easier to work on. They both use the same head, but the king 2 has less parts overall.

estarter
03-07-2008, 08:21 PM
If I have choose between the RTF Belt CP and King2, I would pick the K2.

I have 2 Belt Cp and 2 K2, I crashed the K2 50+ times, most of the damage is not too bad and I have yet to bent the main shaft. I have <20 flight and haven't crash the Belt CP yet, judge from the damage of my Trex450 when crash, it is substantial compares with the K2.

For beginner, the less powerful set up in the K2 and the lower part counts would help learn the hovering and get to know the RC heli mechanics.

mwahaha
03-07-2008, 09:36 PM
If I have choose between the RTF Belt CP and King2, I would pick the K2.

I have 2 Belt Cp and 2 K2, I crashed the K2 50+ times, most of the damage is not too bad and I have yet to bent the main shaft. I have <20 flight and haven't crash the Belt CP yet, judge from the damage of my Trex450 when crash, it is substantial compares with the K2.

For beginner, the less powerful set up in the K2 and the lower part counts would help learn the hovering and get to know the RC heli mechanics.

On average, what parts broke on the K2? Also how did you find the stock motor, did it last long? I have read that the stock ones are pretty crappy (not enough power and burn out frying the ESC with it)

Firadiz
03-08-2008, 05:45 PM
On average, what parts broke on the K2? Also how did you find the stock motor, did it last long? I have read that the stock ones are pretty crappy (not enough power and burn out frying the ESC with it)

On an average at least the feathering spindle...that bends real easy even on tip overs. Extra blades definitely, and maybe some plastic head parts. I had a control arm break, but that crash was pretty bad. It doesn't hurt to pick up some extra stuff that doesn't break often...but could have the implication to...so you're not grounded long waiting for parts. As far as the motor is concerned... it varies from who you talk to. You definitely get more power and longer flight times with a BL system...but the stock works quite well for basic circuits, 8's, and hovering.

mwahaha
03-08-2008, 08:02 PM
You have been a big help. I haven't been able find any of this info in searches, and i didn't get anything remotely helpful from another big forum.

Unfortunately i have to wait until thursday to order my King2 :( then 7 to 14 days for it to come. I want it now dammit :evil:

Guess i will just have to tool around the sim some more to get my fix :roll:

eddiemoth
03-08-2008, 10:56 PM
Yes, SIM is always good. With SIM, you can crash all you want and you don't have to fix it. Just hit enter, you are in the sky again. By the time you get the heli, you are set to go.

Thanks for your nice comment about the site.

mwahaha
03-09-2008, 11:15 AM
NP. Thing is, i think the sim is a bit like pokerstars.net.... you play a bit different when its real money on the line, even if you try real hard to treat it as if each crash was $20

Firadiz
03-09-2008, 03:56 PM
SIM are pretty good for helping with muscle memory, but it is almost to perfect for flying. IOW, SIM's do not take into effect the building phase of the Heli. When flying for real, if the blades are not tracked or balanced, the swash isn't level, and exc, the heli will suffer; however in the SIM, the heli is perfect, the swash is perfect, the blades are tracked and balanced, the Heli CG is perfect, so hovering and FF is easy to learn on SIM. Even though you can go into settings and cause flight failures, it still gives you an almost perfect Heli. I'm not knocking the SIM, because I have and still use it. It is great for learning auto-rotations, muscle memory, and learning to do aerobatics. The problem I have is that I can hover within a 2-3 ft circle and do stall turns and circuits with no problem on the SIM, flying for real...I'm still trying to master the hovering, and learning field repairs...adjusting swash when heli banks in a direction quickly...staying off the trims just to name a few.

kersyboy
04-13-2008, 09:06 AM
For a beginner I believe co-Axial helis are great for you... Then after youve learned to fly it then upgrade to belt driven helis.... A good investment for you to crash and learn is E-sky lama v3, v4, comanche.. the upgrades are cheap and the hli itself is cheap.. Really good for practicing hovering... Then extend the shaft for more manuever and to avoid blade clash....

Look... totally wrecked after many crashes but still I modified it using what I can find at home.. LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYmyyYS9oUE&feature=user
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lYmyyYS9oUE

owen
12-12-2010, 07:53 AM
My nephew is passionate about wanting an rc helicopter. he's almost 7. so, i want a beginner model for kids. i know my sister won't allow it in the house, so we're talking outdoors. i want to make sure to get him a model he can and will use; i don't want to frustrate him. the category is overwhelming. any ideas for beginner kids' models? thank you.

swatson144
12-12-2010, 10:58 AM
One of the 4 chan coaxials would do the trick. Not much for outside unless it's dead calm. Coaxials are much slower and more docile.

Perhaps the blade MCX would be tiny enough to be allowed indoors http://www.e-fliterc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFLH2200

What's up with the age thing check this youngster out. http://vimeo.com/3932926 We got to see him at heli invasion. Truely a trip to see someone so young fly like that and then pick up the little plastic cars and play in the dirt. lol

Steve